I had a wonderful Saturday night, which may likely be a blog entry later today, but we'll see. I do want to write about my weekend, but Saturday night was good. I went to a friend's birthday party and met lots of new people and even some new friends. One of whom grew up Southern Baptist, as did I. As we talked about worship he talked about how Episcopal services are more ritualistic than Baptist services.
I wanted to shout, "YES! Yes yes yes! You get it, why don't we?!" By that I mean he used the right term to describe some of the ways we embody the liturgies that we celebrate together. Regardless of if there's smoke and bells or cassocks and surplices three Sundays a month for Morning Prayer, we are more ritualistic than Southern Baptists. And those places with smoke? More ritualistic than those places that don't have those things. Either way, we have a ritual that we embody in a variety of different ways.
What so many of our people (lay and ordained) seem to not realize(? know? have been taught in seminary or forgot?) is that the degrees of ritualism are about smoke and bells or absence thereof. Hearing those things described as "high" or "low" church irk me. One's positions on the church aren't inherently communicated in how one worships. Places that still insist on using the 1928 Prayer Book or 1662 or something on their own are low church because the church has a whole has adopted something else. They might have billowing smoke, but they're not worshipping in common with the rest of the Church.
Churchmanship (I wish that weren't a gendered term) has to do with the episcopacy and the hierarch of the church. While I was in Mexico I saw a delightful demonstration of high churchmanship with very, very little ritualism attached. The priest with whom we worked was committed to the Church. She has disagreements on social/theological issues with the Presiding Bishop and the bishop who ordained her, but she's committed to being a part of the church. Our eucharists were QUITE different than anything we have in the Chapel of the Good Shepherd, but I think she was relatively high church.
I personally identify as quite high church, which I attribute to my having been raised in such a low church tradition where each congregation does what it will. I place a strong emphasis not just on local communities of faith, but on communities of faith being in community with one another. I think that the Church is Christ's bride, not that individuals are Christ's brides. That's why I like the Derek Webb song "The Church" (the last line of the refrain is "If you love Me you will love the Church"). And while identifying as a high churchman, I think I am far from being a big ritualist.
But at the same time there are places whose ritualism I can enjoy and worship and then other places where I want to scream about what's going on. I might not like all of the theological implications of the customary at Trinity Church, but there's definitely "full, conscious, and active participation by the people there." We do things in the Chapel that drive me crazy because I think we're clinging to something (all the time and not occasionally) that isn't where life is anymore (e.g. Evensong with unrehearsed Anglican chant for the Psalter four nights a week).
I think what I most look at in Eucharistic celebration is how the presider embodies the prayer. I don't care if they have magic hands crossing things all the time - unless they seem more focused on the magic hands and getting their movements "right" than on the prayer. I think there's certainly a way to do both well (and it might involve some memorization and muscle memory), but when not done well I certainly understand why less ritualistic traditions are critical of our "dry, moribund liturgy." That doesn't mean the sacrament is invalid or that the prayer isn't said. But I understand wanting to hear a prayer being prayed and not read as though it's a story. And I surely don't want a presider to get to "gave thanks to you" and have body language that says, "Oh, yeah, I have to point up right now" and then quickly throw a hand up.
There are lots of degrees of ritualism and churchmanship in The Episcopal Church. Sometimes the two go hand-in-hand, and sometimes they aren't related to one another at all. I think that it would be helpful if we consciously work on altering our language (which students at General are doing) so that we don't use the two interchangeably.
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Tuesday, February 1, 2011
Thursday, February 25, 2010
Identity
As many of my readers know, I have been through three different denominations. While I have left two for very specific reasons, I try not to speak too disparagingly of my time in either of them. When I joined The Episcopal Church my mom asked me what I was looking for. Two years later, I think I've found my answer, and it comes from looking at comments in a blog a few weeks ago. I've been looking for identity within a denomination, identity that is honest to itself and with its members about who and what it is. I've already written about why I'm an Epsicopalian at length (here and here). Essentially, we have an identity that is ours that we live and share (although there needs to be a lot more sharing. This using the term "identity" is a new usage for me, although I've been saying it for awhile in different ways.A few weeks ago I was fascinated as I read through the comments on this blog. I was learning from the essential post about controversy and gatekeeping and rigidity of professors. But then as I read through the comments my eyes just got wider and wider. The blog is a Southern Baptist blog, and I was finding out all kinds of things about the Convention at the Convention level. I had no idea that certain things happened, or that the congregationalism I was so used to wasn't how it always entirely played out. I don't remember specifics not, but there was stuff about the International and Domestic Missions Boards, disagreement at the national level about missionaries and cessation of gifts. I was clueless about that stuff!I remember being in seventh grade, or maybe just a little earlier, when there was a unit in my Discipleship Training Union book about what it meant to be baptist. There wasn't a lot of information in the student book, and we never got there as a class, so I never got the information. I knew the way we did things differently than other denominations (we only immersed, and the Methodists sprinkled), but I didn't know what made us distinctly us; I wanted something other than the way we were different than others. That isn't to say we were cast against them, but there were definitely times that we learned that we were right and others were wrong (baptism for example).From the time I saw my grandmother's Book of Discipline I was fascinated, especially by the Social Principles. An entire denomination had adopted statements about what it believed on social issues. At that point in my life I had never seen or heard of The Baptist Faith and Message. I don't recall seeing it until Timothy joined Crawford Road after we all pretty much stopped going to Cascade Hills. As I was growing I was growing dissatisfied with congregationalism, although I didn't know that word for it. I wound up in a United Methodist Church looking for a friend of mine, but finding new friends who played a big part of my life through high school.There was identity, though. The United Methodist Hymnal has information for learning/teaching about baptism and sacraments, I feel like I read. I borrowed Books of Discipline and flipped through Grandmother's whenever I was at her house. I got very involved, I went to Annual Conference, I bought a Book of Discipline of my own, I graduated from high school and got plugged in to the Wesley Foundation. Then I started reading more United Methodist resources and finding my experience dissonant with teaching and directives from the denomination. I don't have a problem with congregationalism as an idea, but it's not a practice for me to engage in. I got more liturgical and more frustrated with suspicion of being "too Catholic." I got tired of not feeling like identity was being reflected around me.I am where I'm supposed to be, and the places I've been have shaped me and given me lenses through which I view life. They've impacted my ecclesiology, liturgical sensibility, biblical knowledge, and relationships, relationships, relationships. I don't know if I'd stayed Southern Baptist if I'd known about the higher up machinations of the Convention, but I doubt it. If I'd known that there were liturgical baptists as I was getting more liturgical I might've lasted a little longer. Some experiences in college did a lot of shaping me, which I think would've pushed me out of the SBC.I feel like this a Debby Downer post, but it's not meant to; it really starts with and continues with a fascination from reading Wade Burleson's blog once and checking back in periodically, actually reading the comments. Stuff that I had no idea happened that as a now-outsider looking in is just fascinating. I get the polity (in large part) of two different denominations, but didn't realize at all that the church of my founding had similarly elaborate polity as well.Trying not to run this race in vain.
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